Thus revealed, the creature buried its nose in the tire-tilled soil...
August 20, 2005
These boots were made for rejection.
Category: Serious

(Note: This entry isn't really that serious, but it does address an issue in more/less analytical fashion and thereby constitutes an "essay" of sorts... and, as such, I've tagged it accordingly.)

The other day, The Anonymous Blogger asked, "Why do so many women prefer to date/mate with men that are of taller stature than themselves?" It's a valid question -- though it sounds odd coming from a guy who's 6'1" -- and apparently interests more than a few people, as a number of answers, concerns, and even solutions were voiced in the discussion that followed in TAB's comments section. For example, Caren suggested that shorter men wear platform shoes in order to close the height gap and make themselves more attractive to women. "I'm not saying you SHOULD change," she writes. "I'm just saying that if this is really a big complaint, get some shoes."

Granted, on the surface, this seems like a viable solution for short men. Okay, I'm lying. At a glance, this enterprise seems doomed to failure -- and, of course, it is. Instead of simply rejecting the man because he's too short -- which, despite their criticism and often hurtful comments, women understand isn't really the guy's fault -- they would turn him away with extreme prejudice for attempting to mask his height with ridiculous elevator shoes. But let's pretend for a moment that the idea isn't wholly devoid of merit. Caren's rationale admittedly makes a certain kind of sense: "If a man shows up for a first date in the shoes" -- with the caveat that the shoes don't look too silly -- "then there's a better chance that a height-obsessed woman will be attracted." However, that argument presupposes something about the reasons that women prefer taller guys to shorter guys -- which we'll see in the following pop culture example.

Does anyone remember "Saved by the Bell"? This subject was actually addressed in the show's first episode (not counting the "Good Morning, Miss Bliss" episodes that were lated included in the show's canon), with Jessie Spano (Elizabeth Berkeley, later of Showgirls fame) spurning a guy because he was a foot shorter than her and spending the episode making cracks about his height to her friends. (In keeping with the tone of the show, however, she eventually realized that he was a nice guy and ended up dancing with him at the end of the episode -- after which, naturally, he was never seen again.) But what makes this instance particularly relevant to Caren's suggestion is that the guy was sitting down when they initially met. Jessie thought he was great; they hit it off; she agreed to go out with him -- and then he stood up! -- and suddenly he was no longer date material, despite their obvious chemistry beforehand. Similarly, a woman who cares about height and gets on well with a guy isn't going to react favorably if she later discovers that he was wearing platform shoes. All of her reasons for not dating short guys will rush to the forefront of her consciousness, hardly slowed by the knowledge that, all other things considered, she really likes this guy. And while in positive, upbeat sitcoms she may eventually get over the height thing, she's probably going to dump him in the real world. Think about it -- is a woman who's obsessed with footlong dicks going to follow her heart and stay with a man after she finds out he's been stuffing his pants? Only on Jerry Springer (which is kind of weird, if you think about it).

Part of this has to do with the reasons that women prefer taller guys. In the SbtB episode, Jessie appeared to agonize over the fact that "everyone would be staring at them" when she danced with a guy who only came up to her shoulder. But when nobody with whom she spoke thought it was a big deal and basically told her to stop being stupid, she realized that her problem wasn't how she thought they would look to others -- it was about how she felt about her own appearance, even in the absence of the shorter man. Her issue wasn't his shortness; it was her tallness. (If I recall correctly, this was cleverly depicted in a dream sequence in which she envisioned herself as a giant monster.) Accordingly, the women who commented on TAB's entry noted that they prefer taller men because, as women, they like to feel dainty and petite in the company of a lover -- not that they want to look that way. So to answer Caren's suggestion, even if a man wore shoes that made him appear to be as tall as or taller than his girl, she'd know that he was wearing them and her heart's fairy tale illusion would be shattered. To her mind, it would be as if he had to pilot a hulking mech to appear capable of protecting her -- hardly a very romantic image. And it's not like he'd be wearing the shoes all the time, anyway.

Most of the women who commented also noted, in their defense, that men have their hangups too -- particularly with respect to weight. However, there's a difference. If you ask a man why he finds fat women unappealing, more often than not the answer has to do with how he thinks he'd be perceived by others. How many times have guys admitted that they'd be more than willing to jump on certain overweight girls of their company under cover of night, but that they wouldn't be caught dead with said girls in public? I don't even think that way, but even I've jokingly observed that certain women -- oftentimes the smiling, chubby girls standing behind the counter at Taco Bell -- would probably fall into that "as long as nobody finds out!" category.

So while both the heavy girl and the short guy more often than not find themselves rejected on the basis of their appearances, at least the heavy girls can become objects of fantasy behind closed doors. Men close their eyes and envision their heaving bosoms and ample backsides while jfuriously jerking the dick in their hands; large women recline on hotel beds and are hand-fed chocolate-covered strawberries by wealthy businessmen while their slim, unwitting trophy wives stay at home and clean house -- or, in today's changing world, manage their own careers as well as the household. Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky come to mind; recall also Tom Buchanan and Myrtle Wilson in F. Scott Fitzgerald's classic novel. Both Hilary and Daisy were more attractive in society's eyes, but these men were more than willing to roll with the big girls behind the scenes.

In women's fairy tales, however, Prince Charming is always a strong, strapping young lad of significant height. Short guys are, by contrast, cast as the repugnant, deformed villains -- goblins, trolls, Rumplestiltskin -- baby-eating creatures who make ridiculous demands of women, ordering them to spin their hair into gold and other such nonsense. And even when diminutive men do not assume the roles of such odious characters, the best that they can hope to be are friends. The seven dwarves saved Snow White from certain death in the wilderness; they took her in and fed and clothed her and protected her as best they could (and probably would've succeeded if she hadn't been so stupid that she'd eat an apple from the creepiest old woman ever); but what was it that ultimately revived her and caused her to live happily ever after? A kiss from some random (albeit handsome) guy she'd never met!

Holy digression, Batman! Anyway, my point was that platform shoes wouldn't make short men any more attractive to women for whom height is important -- which, as we've seen, it wouldn't. Ergo demonstratum est.

-posted by Wes | 4:15 pm | Comments (21)
21 Comments »
  • CL says:

    First off, I have never heard that men aren't attracted to fat women because of how it looks, and that they secretly fantasize about them in private. Some are attracted to them, for some it depends on the women, and some usually are not. But I think the percentage who resist their impulses out of shame are smaller than we think...maybe men can chime in here.

    As for elevator shoes, as seen on TAB's blog, it all depends on why women care about the tallness thing, and all the women have different answers. You're right - a woman or man who stuffs body parts is going to be found out, and I wouldn't encourage anyone to lie.

    A better analogy, though, is Donald Trump and his hairpiece. He thinks he looks better having hair. Some might say it looks stupid. But he likes it, and so does his model wife. Would anyone say, "But a guy like that is going to get found out when his wife sees him without his 'hair' at home?!" No. It makes him more attractive, in his mind, and in some people's minds (not all).

    How about this. Women wear makeup sometimes. Do they ever say, "Well, what if the guy is shocked at how I look in the morning?" Do they ever say, "Well, what if he finds out my lips are not REALLY the color of pomegranites?"

    All of this is not to say that you SHOULD get such shoes. There probably are women who have a thing for shorter men or don't care at all, and on Bob's blog, Mrs. Nelson sez she would find elevator shoes intensely creepy. She also notes that she had a crush on a guy who was 5'4".

    And, I'll make a personal admission that since I'm small, I feel more comfortable with dudes closer to my height. But that's not a dealbreaker or nothin'.

    My comments were mainly for guys who really think they're getting 'short' shrift in this world because of a few inches. Since men often try not to care much about their appearance, I just asked the question about why they never go for the shoes. I wasn't saying they should do it. Hell, I would never say women should get breast implants, or any of that other stuff.

    I was just curious as to why. If the shoes make you uncomfortable, don't wear them. It's no one else's **** business what you wear. As they say in Boogie Nights, 'wear what you dig.'

    But if you are going to say that women are always dissing you because of your height, there is a possible (not probable, I guess) solution that might help sometimes. If the only thing stopping you is laziness, then try it. If there are other things, then don't.

  • whoa says:

    Dude, I just noticed the photos of you below in the suit. You are HOT.

    But like with Colin Farrel (see Bob's blog), the photo doesn't show height. Maybe taller shoes, that don't look dorky, will change your life.

    I wouldn't recommend it if you were 5'6 or even 5'5, but an extra inch might help in certain things, I think.

  • Wes says:

    Caren: Hairpiece or no hairpiece, what makes Donald Trump attractive is his money. He could have live snakes growing out of his scalp and his model wife would pet them and call them cute as long as she had access to their bank account!

    As far as makeup goes -- that's an established cultural thing. To a certain extent, women are expected to wear makeup, as evidenced by the way others (mostly women, oddly enough) talk about them when they don't. And maybe women don't worry about how men will react when the makeup comes off, but you know what? Maybe they should. Some women look really great with makeup but downright hideous without it, and honestly I'd rather have the kind of woman who looks great without it and who only wears it to achieve a certain stylized look (i.e. the black-rimmed eyes and vampire red lips of the goth club girl). But that's just me.

    And regarding the attraction of men to overweight girls, I think you'd be surprised. Of course, we're not talking morbidly obese chicks here, but like Monica Lewinsky's size -- and I think far more men found her to be attractive than they'd admit in public. (I don't think I'd have had a problem giving her a squeeze even in public, let alone private quarters.) A thin girl may look really sharp and fit and conventionally pretty and all of that jazz, but a slightly rounder girl, as they say, has more "cushion for the pushin'" -- and few people have a desire to get physical with skeletons. People like sleeping in soft beds with fluffy pillows, not on hard couches and floors, etc. Asking the men to chime in here may not be too helpful, though, 'cause they're probably not gonna admit it!

    Whoa: Um, thanks! And almost all shoes add an extra inch of height, don't they? But then again, since everyone's wearing shoes, that probably wouldn't make much of a dif at all.

  • mrs. nelson says:

    yeah, wes, you really are quite a fine-lookin' fellow. i mean, i've confessed why i like tall guys, but i still think being hot is way more important than being tall (see: colin farrell). and you're definitely hot.

    i do agree with you that a surprising number of men like big women more than they might admit. however, i do disagree on one pretty essential front:

    there is nothing good about being able to get laid in private but being scorned in public. i can't really imagine anything more humiliating and corrosive to one's well-being. i don't think any girl would think of that as a "plus." the pleasure of sex is well overshadowed by the pain of total rejection. yes, rejection hurts everyone (including those who cannot get laid), but getting rejected after being used sexually is a different sort of pain. and having been rejected both ways, i think the post-sex rejection hurts a lot more. but more than that, since many women can have a tendency to use sex as a tool to help them procure someone's love, it is so easy to imagine a woman getting trapped in a downward spiral of being used for sex while she thinks she is cultivating someone's love for her. this is a bad, bad, bad scene. i can see why a guy might think the ability to get laid is a plus, but i really don't think it is in the scenarios you set up. as someone with highly loose sexual mores, i still think most women don't do that well with a constant stream of casual sex (i think every once in a while it can be great, but i just don't think most of us are wired to only want casual sex). thus, it's much better for us to be with someone who actually accepts and cares for us from the very beginning. we might not get laid as much, but when we do, it will be with someone worth our time. and we won't have the horror of being used and rejected in order to get it. So I would think this factor would be more of a detriment than an asset.

    Also, just to relate to what Caren said, I have noticed that many smaller women like guys their own height or shorter. I've definitely noted this is true for women with any sort of violence in their past, for whom a taller guy could be more threatening.

    And though a lot of women do take some sort of stance (with varying degrees of flexibility) on the height issue, a lot of women just don't care at all. I have one beautiful friend who is 5'10 and looks like a model--she very frequently dates guys who are 5'6 or under. One time she crazily lusted after a guy who was 5'2. I asked her whether she cared about the difference at all, and she said height didn't matter a bit--she just likes guys with big muscular arms.

    To each her own!

  • mrs. nelson says:

    Just to clarify--by "crazily lusted" i did not mean it was crazy for her to lust after him, but rather that she was "crazed with lust" for him.

  • Willis says:

    I know there are a lot of people taller than me; big fat hairy deal. If it bothers me too much I can always hang out with the pygmies, or date a midget..

  • Becky says:

    I have to admit that I was thinking the same thing as Mrs. Nelson when you made the comment about chubby women who can "at least" become lusted after behind closed doors. That is actually quite insulting to women.

    The other side of it is that people can't help who they're attracted to and what. Wouldn't something behavioral be just as much of a deal-breaker -- and you find out out about it after you think there's initial chemistry? There's that theory that you shouldn't have to change someone, so if I find out that a guy (for an extreme example), bites the heads off live bats, don't I have the right to not be attracted to him anymore?

    I think that men are much more picky about body weight and proportions than women, so it goes both ways. I even mentioned this in my post from the other day about being an Average Jane and how men have always approached my better-looking/figured friends first.

  • Wes says:

    Mrs. Nelson/Becky: I definitely see your points about it being a definite minus that the chubby girls can at least become objects of desire in private -- but speaking from personal experience as someone who (to my knowledge, anyway) has never been desired in public or private (comments on shirtless photos notwithstanding, and really, would you say so if you thought I were a total slob?), I can sincerely say that it might at least be nice to know (that being the key word) that, in the absence of peer pressure and societal scorn, women would embrace me and want to call me "honey". At least then I could comfort my lonely, miserable self with the idea that, somewhere, some woman was looking at my shirtless pics and burning with desire to buy me a carafe of sake and undress me with her eyes. But this may be a "grass is greener" sort of deal. I don't know, though -- would it make you feel better to be wanted in secret or never wanted at all?

  • Wes says:

    Btw, Becky, I did see the Average Jane entry, and I was a little late to the party so I didn't comment, but I've told you before -- I think you're hot stuff, and I wouldn't be ashamed to go all schoolgirl over you in public and in private. So there! 😛

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

  • Becky says:

    I appreciate the compliments, Wes, but I think your point is different because men/women are driven differently. Many men can have sex with women that they don't find attractive, but most women won't. And I, for one, would rather be alone than with someone who only wanted to come near me when no one else was looking, so then we're both at the same starting point.

  • T.A.B. says:

    Since I've been referenced...

    Based on my own experience, I have to disagree with your analysis with regards to men desiring fat women. I do like the fact that you brought up that most people, unless they have some sort of physiological problem, can control their weight. But nobody can control their height.

    That's all.

  • Wes says:

    Oh, I agree with you on that point -- I'd also rather be alone than be with someone who only felt comfortable spending time with me in secret. I'm just saying that in that loneliness, the chubby girl has a solace that the short guy doesn't, because "at least" she knows that men really do desire her but are afraid to be seen with her because of the social stigma. I'm not arguing that men can have sex with overweight girls despite not really finding them to be attractive -- I'm arguing that they really do find them to be attractive (to a point, of course) but pretend not to because of social pressure.

    Also, people are better at resisting social pressure than they are at altering their own fantasies -- as we've seen, they're more likely to make excuses for their prejudices ("I like what I like; I can't help it") even when they find their wants to be wrong and/or decidedly unfair -- so the overweight woman has a better shot at finding a mate who's willing to be with her in public and private, whereas nobody wants to be with the short guy in either place.

  • Wes says:

    TAB: To a point, mind you -- and speaking in terms of degrees, "fat" is definitely the wrong word to use. It's hard to pull examples from pop culture (Monica Lewinsky notwithstanding) because there are so few starlets who fall into the range I'm talking about -- most of them are either in waifish category or in the "too fat" category. Ah, here's one: Callista Flockheart versus Kate Winslet. I dunno about you, but I'd take the latter without blinking twice.

    (But then, she did rock the blue hair in Eternal Sunshine...)

  • NJWT says:

    Wes, to address the fact that a guy would fuck a fat chick in private, you may have never heard the phrase "It's not who would you fuck, it's who wouldn't you fuck." Most girls aren't concerned with whether some guy would get his rocks off in her body. And who knows, maybe girls looking for a one night stand are less concerned with shortness than others.

  • Omni says:

    I'm 5'8", and if I was still single I'd probably not date a shorter man, because experience has taught me that most men have a BIG problem with being with a woman who's taller than they are. Although I'm not tall enough to raise eyebrows, I've had men decline to date me based on my height, a shorter guy that I was involved with got teased constantly because of the height difference (and few men aren't wounded by comments that suggest they're other than studs), and, most tellingly, men hit on me in clubs when I was sitting down who RECOILED when I stood up and was taller than they are (6' tall in heels). Men like to feel big and strong, and a tall woman makes that harder for them to do; life's too short to deal with that... no pun intended.

  • Wendy says:

    This whole conversation reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where George met a woman while he was wearing his new Timberlands and then he refused to take them off whenever he was around her b/c he didn't want her to know how short he was w/o them.

    That's really all I have to contribute to this conversation. 😉

  • Jaime says:

    I dig the shorter guys. They are teh sexxiness. I'm 5'7" currently sorta dating someone 5'3". It was weird at first because more people than you would think commented on the difference in height ( I have a tendency to wear heeled boots...so that makes me end up being about 5'11"); even my friend Jess made some bitchy comments about it going as far as making fun of him to his face (don't worry I verbally bitch slapped her back). I never had a problem with it, I was more worried about the guy having a problem with me being taller/bigger in general. A few cracks aimed at my heeled shoes, me saying, "what do you want to wear them?" laughter, and then he was at ease. He realized he liked the heeled boots ^-~
    I've been in this state of mind for about the past year that the shorter they are, the more it turns me on....I mean there is the beginning awkwardness because neither is sure that the other person is okay with everything; women aren't trained to feel powerful and men are trained to not appear meek. Gender typing has messed us all up. Personally, I don't care. My advice is that the ladies should go after the shorter guys, they're a lot more fun and usually have the best sense of humor. I give them scores of A+++ ^-~

  • whoa says:

    TAB, there are plenty of women who have trouble controlling their weight - it's not as rare as you think.

    And, men CAN control their height...with elevator shoes. So that excuse doesn't work.

  • whoa says:

    short is relative. a guy who is 5'6 or even 5'5" can usually do ok. below that, and an inch or two of boots might make a big diff in his life.

  • T.A.B. says:

    whoa, weight loss, for most cases, is simply an issue of self-discipline. One cannot go out to the Wal-Mart to purchase a spine-stretcher. Elevator shoes are as much a solution as corsets are to hide bulge.

  • De says:

    Being tall isn't any picnic either. I'm 6'4" and I tended to intimidate more than date (many of my female friends told me that they were afraid of me before getting to know me).

    As for the whole chubby girl issue, my wife is hardly a skinny mini. To me, it's about the person not their size. I've dated women of assorted shapes and sizes. In fact, I came close to proposing to a woman larger than my wife once upon a time (great conclusion to that story: she cheated with an old boyfriend and ended up pregnant).

    I'm hardly indicative of the "average male" as you can see. Maybe I'm just too much of a nice guy.

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