Thus revealed, the creature buried its nose in the tire-tilled soil...
May 16, 2005
Musings on the spark.
Category: Serious

And now, a rare WESOTERIC post about relationships! YAY!

Having observed a number of dates via television shows and having read a number of failed date blog entries, I've noticed that one of the most prevalent reasons that an otherwise good date doesn't lead to a romantic relationship is that there just isn't that *spark* -- that sexual attraction, that aching desire to molest the other person and use his/her delectable body for one's pleasure and gratification -- for at least one of the parties. Even when the two parties really get along and hit it off personality-wise, the decision may be made during the second or even first date that the two should simply be friends rather than try to force something that just isn't there. That is, even in the face of a highly compelling reason to continue to pursue a romantic relationship, the initial absence of something so insignificant as conscious sexual attraction (note the italicized word; we'll come back to that later) is enough to halt any further attempts to make progress on that front. Because there's no spark.

I think this is a mistake.

First, consider the word we use to describe this attraction -- spark. It's true that a spark with the right kindling can turn into a bonfire, but in most cases all it takes to extinguish a spark is a light gust of wind, a single drop of rain, even the passage of a few seconds. How many times have you been sexually attracted to someone but ceased to be so within days -- or even hours? How many marriages have failed because they were based on a spark that died out long before "'till death do us part?" And how many times have you been attracted to someone you didn't even like -- someone whom, despite getting on your fucking nerves, you still fantasized about stripping naked and licking up and down in frenzied fashion beneath a waterfall hidden behind shower curtains? And yet, like fools, we continue to view the presence of this unreliable and irrational spark as a determining factor for our choice of potential lifelong mates!

Granted, our reliance on the spark isn't quite as ridiculous as the above remarks imply. It does feel good to want someone, to look someone up and down and mutter, "God damn...!" under one's breath while absently wiping drool from the corner of one's mouths, yes, to lust after someone -- and I imagine having that lust momentarily satiated feels even better. This is the reason that many people are led by their more carnal appetites not only in the context of seeking romantic relationships, but even instead of seeking said relationships, preferring to play the field and sexually devour as many beautiful persons as possible in their quest for physical pleasure.

However, as we've seen, this isn't enough to sustain a true relationship, so why do we continue to value it more than the most significant requirement of a working relationship -- that a girlfriend or a boyfriend actually be a trusted friend? But perhaps I'm being unfair in supposing that our relationship focus is wholly focused on the spark -- for while it does seem, in many cases, to be the determining factor in a relationship, people do seem to require that they like spending time with a mate outside of the bedroom as well. But is it realistic to hope for both? Certainly, both lust and like can exist simultaneously for a time, but, as we've no doubt seen and experienced, the spark often fades -- and then what are we left with? In the best instances, a caring and devoted friendship. But note that this dynamic is the very same state of affairs that, had the spark not been there at first, would have convinced the parties that a romantic relationship wasn't worth pursuing.

Now, in some such situations, where the people have already realized that they do care about each other and want to stay together even though the spark appears to have faded, they'll attempt to put the fire back into their relationship in various ways. What I find curious is that persons in the same situation but who are just starting out -- i.e. have gone on a few dates where no spark was present, but do seem to genuinely enjoy each other's company -- seem unwilling to try to generate the spark themselves. I think that more marriages are failing today because, in the old days, the spark wasn't as important when choosing a potential mate, so when it faded it wasn't as big a deal. People had other reasons to stay together, and if the spark meant that much to them, they'd seek ways of rejuvenating it or overcoming its absence. But now, with our desire for instant gratification, and our emphasis on the spark, and our lack of faith in our own "mechanical" ability, an engine that lacks or loses its ability to generate such heat is thrown on the scrap heap without the slightest consideration of taking a wrench to it. And I actually think that many more failed potential relationships might be successful and actually lead to deeper relationships than those spurred on by an initial, haphazard attraction if people actually tried to figure out each other's kinks and work through their lack of initial sparkage instead of just supposing that if the lust isn't there at first sight, it never will be -- or that once it fades, it won't ever return -- and parting company right there.

And I wonder about this, because my theory of sexuality is that pretty much anyone can turn anyone else on, provided that the parties aren't physically repulsed by each other and, in spite of the lack of initial/continued attraction, find each other to be reasonably attractive -- they just have to know what buttons to press.

The reason I'm pondering these moments at present is that there's a girl I think I could really be into -- I like her and (I think) get along with her really well -- except that, for the most part, I feel no sexual attraction whatsoever towards her when we're together. Oh, she's very pretty -- that's not the problem -- but I think that we get along so well and that I focus on our conversation so intently that it doesn't even occur to me to be consciously attracted to her. And I wonder how many potential romantic relationships appear to lack that spark for the same reason. I mean, if you're really engaged in a fun conversation and having a great time, you're probably not going to hear those voices in the back of your head whispering, "Pssst, glance at her breasts!" or give into that impulse to check out her ass when she gets up to go powder her nose.

In my case, it hasn't only been this girl -- it seems that the women I like best are the ones I appear to be the least interested in undressing, whereas the ones I find myself fantasizing about (while actually in their presence, anyway -- I often find myself dreaming of them later) are the ones I find to be uninteresting, or ditzy, or charming in some ways but unappealingly common in others. I think that my lusty thoughts for them arise out of a certain kind of boredom -- because in those really great conversations with the others, the thought of curves and tender flesh would constitute a distraction, and I'm not easily distracted from an engaging discussion. I mean, these days, I can spend time with girls I lusted after in high school -- girls I used to watch intently for a glimpse of something titillating -- and moreover spend time with them during which they do, in excess, the very same thing that used to fuel my desire so many years ago, and not even think to observe them in the act until afterwards, almost as an afterthought, because my mind was elsewhere, outside of the gutter, during the chill session. And sometimes my mind needn't even have been preoccupied with furnishing replies in a complex conversation -- once, when I invited a girl to my dorm room to watch a movie, she actually fell asleep during said movie and I sat there, looking at her prone, snoozing form, and didn't want her. I actually thought about that as I looked at her. I thought, "To steal a kiss -- yes! Surely, it would be wrong, and all too easy... but not only do I not want to do it, but I feel no desire whatsoever to lean over her slumbering form and press my lips to the soft flesh of her cheek! Why?! Why do I not want to kiss her?!"

But as I've said, it's not that the spark (on my end, anyway) is wholly absent in these cases -- it's just that the friendship aspect of these relationships is strong enough to snuff it out while in the moment. I've noticed that depending on what these girls wear, I can be made to want them more on the spot; usually they dress in a plain, tomboyish sort of way, which apparently does nothing to arouse my baser ideas, but other outfits fare better in that respect. Also, an excess of alcohol does much to allow lustier thoughts space to roam in my head -- but perhaps, given popular abuses of alcohol towards that end, that isn't quite so unique.

So does this mean that (at least in my case), intensity of thinking and presence of mind are the enemy of romantic attraction? Regarding the role of clothing, must a potential "meal" be presented in a certain state of preparedness in order for one's "hunger" to be aroused? (Side note, which may or may not be related: I am one of those people who is rarely truly hungry, but have a tendency to desire food more when it is unwrapped and/or within my reach. Also, I've also noticed that certain kinds appetites appear to be connected, not only in my case but in others as well. For example, note that certain popular sexual practices involve eating and sucking...)

I don't have any answers here; I'm merely making observations and asking questions. Deep down, smoldering faintly beneath the heavy blanket of of my formidable intellect, is there a spark? Do I secretly want this girl? Have I ever wanted any girls whose company I genuinely enjoyed? Can the spark and a genuine meeting of the minds coexist? Speak!

-posted by Wes | 10:22 pm | Comments (13)
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  • Jesus says:

    Hmmm... well I get where you're coming from, society has gone to hell in the concept of relationships. But anyways, I've known women that I'm only interested in as a friend. Even though I think they're attractive, just not interested in a intimate relationship. Although I have met women I think are very interesting and would like to pursue a relationship with, although those are usually unavailable, lol. I really have no idea why I find those women interesting yet not interested in a intimate relationship at all. It's a tough call buddy, I've never tried it. Not sure about advice but just thought to let you know you're not the only one with that kind of situation. Maybe someone else can drop some advice.

  • I've found it best to be in relationships where you want to be best friends and lovers.

  • the Jax says:

    K, I'm basing my response on a very limited experience of dating/relationships, but here's my 2 cents, with some pertinent examples, as a straight female.
    Meeting the opposite sex (guys, in my case) and getting to know them, I rarely have felt *the spark*. I have/had several male friends with whom I never had a romantic or sexual attraction, and therefore never considered dating. I can occasionally admire them physically, but it has no power. Regarding your belief that "anyone can turn anyone else on": yeah I suppose if two people really set their minds to "let's do it!" they would be perfectly able to at least have a good time, physically, without a prior attraction.
    I can check someone out without an intention of pursuing him or even talking to him. It's a step below actually being attracted. They usually ruin it when they open their mouths anyway. 😉 But I think it's normal to appreciate a flattering outfit or new look on a friend who doesn't normally dress up around you. If you're really impressed, compliments are welcome.

    One guy who really *sparked* me just did not work out as a friend or hanging-out buddy, so we did not continue dating after a few weeks. It was rather awkward to still feel *the spark* and nothing else, and we both quickly grew bored.
    Another guy I thought I had a *spark* with was pleasant enough to hang out with, but I must not have *sparked* him. Though he seemed to enjoy my company, I was surprised he did not call me for more dates. I'm sure we could have "built" a friendship by hanging out and talking, but why work so hard? Friendships are better when they come about naturally, and without a mutual *spark* it would never lead to a comfortable relationship.
    With my current boyfriend [ 🙂 🙂 🙂 ], I felt a *spark* right away that was then fueled by a natural friendship. Really enjoying talking to each other and hanging out makes that *spark* fly like crazy. Believe me Wes, if you feel a true *spark* and not just a friendship or fleeting attraction, there is no such thing as "conscious attraction." You won't decide "I'll appreciate her breasts now." You will in fact be powerless to stop yourself. Force yourself to kiss her? Never!
    Put coldly, this is why people date: to verify whether a mutual *spark* is present and sustainable. Sure it's not foolproof, less and less every day it seems, but you know whether you're having a good time or not and have to judge whether the good times are worth the bad times.

    I pride myself on my presence of mind and intellect much as you do, but when you feel a certain way thought will not distract you. With the first guy on the list, my mind was abuzz with "what to do? what to say? how to react?" and I felt like an actress who never got to see the script. Very uncomfortable, nervous, not myself at all, but maddeningly physically attracted. With the second guy, conversation was much easier; I enjoyed myself and thankfully WAS myself. I was physically attracted, but it wasn't overwhelming. Yet mental stimulation and simply not annoying one another led nowhere. This sounds like your situation to me, that you get along with these women, and even find them attractive, but something is missing and the fact that you miss it means not all systems are go.
    With my boyfriend, I don't think about "what to do? what to say? how to react?" any more than I would with my best friends. I do, I say, I react, usually with thought but not self-consciously. The self is free and not all nervous and confused. This could be just a remarkable friendship, but that *spark* draws me to him physically and, well, every way there is.
    Many of your observations hold water, but I must feel some *spark* upon initial meeting (first sight! how cliche) or what follows is pointless. Ah, go figure.

  • Wes says:

    Jax: Interesting meditations across the board, but I thought this line -- Put coldly, this is why people date: to verify whether a mutual *spark* is present and sustainable. -- was particularly worthy of comment, at least with respect to my sitch, because I don't think I've ever met someone for whom I felt a spark that was present and potentially enduring. However, the term you use is "sustainable". I have met women for whom I've felt a spark that I think could be sustained -- with effort -- but the problem is that I'm pretty sure, per my contention that (almost) anyone can turn anyone else on, that I could be made to feel sustainably attracted to those women for whom I don't feel the initial spark as well! But maybe my buttons are easily pressed! (Or so I think, anyway -- but then, I've been lording over the switchboard with a critical eye for years...)

    And again, congrats on the new boy -- but isn't your relationship still relatively new at this point? Let's see how long the spark lasts! 😉

  • stefmax says:

    I kind of understand where your coming from Wes. Though in this day and age, most people are whores. You cannot only call a guy a whore and not point at the next girl and do the same. This is why the spark is so common because now-a-days you only talk to someone if you want to get in their pants. You usually have no time to see how the person is or anything due to only having a brief moment to interact with them. I at times, find myself glancing up from the burger board, only to see a cute girl standing there waiting to have her order taken. (Har-har, the pits of BK) Most of the time, we meet eyes, they are usually looking at me. I would think I am somewhat decent looking though I have some things that are very unique about me. Like the hair, most girls love it, this is what usually pulls them in. I never try to ask for their numbers when on the job knowing they either want to get free food or get in my pants. Had it happen once already, 2 weeks of dating and she was ready to hit the sack. I told her no, she hasn't called me since. Did I lose out? Nope. As Wes would say, I am not a hungry person. I cannot just consume anything and be satisfied. It must be backed up by a firm relationship and be with someone I love or else, NO FOOD FOR YOU. It's not that hard to say no either but it's a lot easier to say yes. Many guys wouldn't of did the same thing in my situation. I only had a few relationships in my life but I am quite sure I understand what I truly want in a women.

    "I?ve found it best to be in relationships where you want to be best friends and lovers."
    I had this happen once, was my first major relationship. We were friends at first and then began to date; regularly. We were then one and like all relationships, drama soon crept in. We ended up breaking up on good terms though, it went a lot smoother since we know eachother. But after that, being best friends was not possible. At times, it became too hurtful to not be there, in that same role for one another. Though I did cut the friendship off, she understood why. We still talk to this day but it's usually if someone needs help with something.

  • Wes says:

    Hm. It just occurred to me that maybe I'm thinking about this because it's very probable that, after this summer, I will never see this girl again...

  • A girl says:

    You need both. I could be great friends with someone I wasn't attracted to, even marry them, as long as I did not have to have sex with them. I do not think this would be an acceptable compromise for me, and certainly not for the men.

    You mention that any two people could be attracted as long as they are not repulsed. A great many things men do have repulsed me. Recently I dated a guy who smoked and had a goatee. He was otherwise great, but the stinky smoke smell would stick in his goatee. Made me want to vomit. What can I say to smoeone iv'e been on two dates with: Please shave and maybe I'll like yoU?

    Anyway,what I think people in failed marriages sometimes lack is inner respect. If you don't think someone is a good person, don't date or marry them. Because initial 'sparks' DO wear off, although longer-term closeness takes over...that is, if you LIKE

  • Wes says:

    A girl: Well, I'm just speculating. As far as the marrying someone and not having sex goes -- you say that you don't think that would be an acceptable compromise (and maybe you're right), but I don't think I'd have too much of a problem with it. But then again, I've no idea what I'd be missing!

    As far as my theory of sexual attraction goes (which is, admittedly, largely based on my own personal experience), I think I need to clarify my usage of the term above -- when I speak of attraction or the lack thereof, I mean intense lust, not the absence of any appreciation of one's physical appearance altogether. Hence my provision that "the parties aren?t physically repulsed by each other and, in spite of the lack of initial/continued attraction (i.e. the lusty spark), find each other to be reasonably attractive." Frex, I think, say, Paris Hilton is pretty attractive -- I certainly don't find her to be repulsive, at least appearance-wise! -- but I wouldn't say that I was attracted to her since I doubt I'd get a boner if I happened to pass by her on the street. But are there things she could do to prompt such a reaction? Yeah, I think so. And apparently you're much more easily disgusted than I am!

    But you admit that the initial sparks wear off and are eventually overtaken by long-term closeness, which suggests that, in the end, sparks aren't entirely necessary for sustaining a committed relationship. So why the insistence on having them in the beginning? And if I'm right, and the spark can be generated through conscious effort, doesn't it seem silly to break away from potential mates just because the spark isn't haphazardly present at first sight?

    Again, I'm just speculating. 🙂

  • Wendy says:

    You raise some very good questions about the "spark." In this time of post-feminism, men and women don't really "need" each other as much as they "want" each other, so I think the spark has become ever more important.

    In countries where arranged marriages are still common, divorce is relatively low. Is this because they work at it or because they view marriage as utilitarian? Maybe both. I don't know. I'm just throwing some ideas out there. Not really sure where I'm going with this one...

  • A girl says:

    ...the person.

    that's about it.

    the graphic part was the stinky smell.

  • Becky says:

    Sorry I took so long to blog today. I cannot believe TAB didn't read this. I think you make a lot of good points, though I don't necessarily agree with you. For me, what I hope to find is the foundation of a best friend, along with that "spark" of attraction. However, I've also noticed that "spark" is enhanced as I've gotten to know the person. You do bring up an interesting point about gratification, but I also wonder if marriages in the older days stayed together b/c many of the women had no other options as they do now? The truth for me initially if I don't feel a "spark," it means that there's something about them that bugs the shit out of me, or they say something that raises a red flag. Instead of discussing said issue in specifics, I use the "lack of spark" excuse.

  • Wes says:

    Yeah, hopefully TAB will get here eventually -- I'm sure he'll have something interesting to add to the discussion.

    I think it's becoming apparent that, for the most part, we all act, feel, and respond differently as far as these issues are concerned. For you, Becky, the spark grows stronger as you get to know a person, and, where it is nonexistent, it means that there's something about a person that either irritates you or makes you wary. Assuming we're sticking to my initial definitions -- by which, in speaking of the spark, I meant a certain intensity of lust -- that implies that, in the absence of mitigating factors, you're sexually attracted to the men you meet by default. Very curious indeed!

    But if we're speaking of attraction of a less flesh-centric degree -- the desire to spend time with someone, to get to know someone, to become closer to someone -- I have felt that for these girls whom I've liked well enough but have failed to be, for the most part, sexually attracted to. With the current girl mentioned in this post, I admit that I don't know her exceedingly well -- I've got a pretty good grasp on her personality, but I know very little about her life, her childhood, her dreams, etc. -- but I think I care quite a bit about her. That, of course, makes sense, given that we've known each other for a while and that, even if I'm hesitant to use the word "friend" (I'm always hesitant to use that word), she's one of my oldest and closest acquaintances. (Though, unfortunately, that isn't saying much...!) I like her quite a bit!

    But do I want to molest her? Not really, at least not when I'm sober. But then, I don't really want to molest anyone! Even my sexier thoughts about, say, the hot foreign girl with the accent were thought in jest -- amusing diversions, but I never expected nor even desired that they be fulfilled. So maybe I'm just not a sexual person? Or maybe I'm just not that into her in that way? Or perhaps something else is at work here? I dunno -- hence my interest in the thoughts and experiences of the readers. 🙂

  • T.A.B. says:

    I'm here. Happy now?

    My opinion is this: the "spark" is in the same category as "chemistry". It's an attraction, whether it's physical, psychological, or both. It can be instant (although it usually fades as you get to know the "real" person) or can grow over time.

    In this day and age of instant gratification, the "spark" has become the main measure upon which to judge the longetivity of the relationship, and it really isn't that accurate.

    I don't know. I've been dismissed more times than I can count by women who felt we didn't "spark", so I judge it with my usual degree of skepticism (even though I too am guilty of not trying harder when thereis no initial attraction on my part).

    In short, I agree that many more single elderly people will exist for our generation than for previous ones about 30 years down the road because they didn't feel a "spark".

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