Thus revealed, the creature buried its nose in the tire-tilled soil...
November 18, 2008
A Stampman Halloween
Category: Serious

The Stampman saga continues -- and apparently more harassment took place on Sunday! At one point he blocked my mother's path in the church and refused to let her pass until she shook his hand. Then, at the Thanksgiving dinner, ol' Stampy made a point of sitting at a table adjacent to my mother's so that his back was to hers. God only knows how much time he spent staring at the back of her head, but, when the churchgoers were asked to applaud our veterans and current soldiers, he turned, leaned over, and slammed his hands together roughly a foot from my mother's ear. The most unfortunate part is that Mom met with the pastor (again) to discuss the Stampman's harassment following the church service, so this latter incident happened after the pastor told him to leave her the frick alone.

Oh, and he left another message on the voice mail tonight -- once again begging Mom to be his friend. Ugh.

The sender and address do not exist.

Anyway, remember the Halloween card I mentioned in the last Stampman entry? Here it is! This is actually the first time I'd actually looked at it -- I wasn't really eager to touch it (and not because he has HIV, but rather because he's uber creepy and I wouldn't put it past him to seal the envelope with jizz or something), so I was working from my mother's description before -- and wow. Wow. Even the envelope is creepy, what with the tiny snowcat creatures and the fact that he's addressed it as being from a fictional sender who lives at a nonexistent address. Yay!

Yes, he drew a little "seal" of hearts.

It gets worse when you flip it over -- note the seal of hearts. Again, ugh.

Witches fly at night~

No zoom necessary here (do remember that the images above and below can be clicked for a closer look at the creepiness) -- it's just a card featuring a witch silhouette and a background comprised of an orange moon and stripes. I actually like the card, but the circumstances make it the scariest Halloween card I've ever seen.

SORRY U R SO HIV PHOBIC

And inside? THE STAMPS ARE BACK! CAT FACES AND COWS!!! And references! Gah, this is way too creepy. The Stampman seems to be under the impression that the only reason Mom no longer wants anything to do with him is that he has HIV -- never mind that he's been stalking her for the past year and a half, with highlights that include calling her 40 times in a single day, blocking her path in public places and calling her a "bitch," "snob," and "witch" (hence the none in the card -- it's totally on message), and sending creepy cards like this one and the one seen here even after she's made it clear that she wants nothing to do with him.

That's really the kicker. I understand miscommunication; I understand that things can get kind of awkward and uncomfortable for one or both parties when there are unrequited feelings and commitments. I'd even be sympathetic to the Stampman if my mother had never made her feelings clear -- I know what it's like to spend time with a person for a while, think you have a close, meaningful friendship and that everything is cool, and suddenly have police show up at your residence to question you about your stalking of said person. This is why I told Mom to let him know flat out that she wasn't interested and to stop talking to him as soon as his intentions became apparent. (I do believe that one can be friends with someone who used to be a romantic interest, but definitely not if that person only attempted to "befriend" the other in the first place because of romantic aspirations.) Unfortunately, she waited until he became obsessed to give him the message, and apparently -- here's the kicker -- punctuated her message that she wasn't interested with, "You need to find someone who's got what you've got."

So I guess his conclusion that the HIV is the main reason she doesn't want to date him or even be his friend makes a little sense, but fuck. If someone doesn't want to be your friend, you have to delete that person's name from your buddy list and move on. My most significant stalking accusation (the only one involving police and authorities) was way more complex than this situation in terms of the parties and entanglements, but I did have another experience in which a girl apparently thought I was "stalking" her. I thought we were completely cool and that I was simply having a hard time reaching her by phone -- per our previous conversations, I was under the impression that she didn't have a good calling plan and had limited calling card use, so I always called her, and even then I only called her once or twice a week and always at specific times that I noted in my messages. The last time I talked to her, she picked up the phone and simply said, "I don't want to talk to you." I said, "Okay! I hope you feel better" -- she'd previously mentioned not feeling well as a reason for not picking up the phone-- "and have a nice life. Bye." And that was the last time I spoke to her. (I heard about the stalking allegation later, through my mother, since she and that girl's mother are acquaintances.)

The incident occurred during the time that I was seeing a therapist on campus per the "request" (that is, order) of the dean following the more pivotal "stalking" incident. When I described the event to the therapist at my session that week, he said, "And you just hung up without getting more information? Didn't you want to know why she didn't want to talk to you?" I calmly said, "No," and I meant it. I can understand people wanting to know more -- presumably so they can fix the situation, or fix others in the future, or something -- but I am convinced that that is the wrong way to go about things. If someone doesn't want to deal with you, you shouldn't want to deal with that person either -- nor should you waste time wondering about why that person rejected you.

Heck, you shouldn't waste time thinking about that person at all. I noted in parentheses that my mother is friends with that girl's mother, so oftentimes she'll gossip about the girl to me in negative terms. "Such-and-such has gotten so fat! She's engaged now, but you didn't need her anyway -- she's all fat and funky." And it makes me angry not because I despise that girl or wish her ill, but because I honestly couldn't care what she looks like or even if she lives or dies. It's like how "Entertainment Tonight" pisses me off because, seriously, who the fuck besides Reese Witherspoon's close friends and family should care about the progression of her relationship or what she likes to wear when she's exercising? Just like I don't care for Reese Witherspoon outside of the films in which she appears (and I don't even care for her in most of those), these people completely do not matter to me outside of my recollection of the events that involved them. They have been completely banished from my monkeysphere.

Instead of dealing with or worrying about these people, it's better to deal with people who do want to deal with you. And if no one does (and I have a ton of experience in that department as well), then you should delight in your own company. If that's a problem for you, then you should probably be focusing on that instead of seeking extensive social and/or romantic interaction anyway.

But like I said, I do get a lot of this. In a way, I think the culture is to blame -- and not just because the obsession with celebrities via shows like ET is pretty damned stalkerish -- what with the frequent depictions of fictional women simply playing hard to get and the ability of (almost) any man to get the girl if he's persistent enough. My favorite example is Spike on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", as he began as the sworn and hated enemy of Buffy and eventually worked his way into her bed and inner circle through sheer devotion and sacrifice (not to mention a healthy dose of stalking, but then following people and lurking is what vampires do). When it comes to relationships on television and in books, "no" means "maybe someday" means "keep at it" means "yes." If at first you don't succeed, try, try again, right? But the real world isn't like that. Life is not a dream or a fantasy, and people owe it to each other to make that clear by being as clear and upfront as possible from the start -- even if it means being blunt and hurting someone's feelings, which my mother used to whine about not wanting to do (while continuing to make excuses to avoid doing so) even after she finally woke up and smelled the creepy.

Of course, I could elaborate on many of these topics and experiences in enough depth and detail to fill at least three books, but I'll stop here. But before I go, note also that I haven't bothered to obscure his name on the card this time. Oh, I'll still mostly refer to him as "the Stampman" in my posts, but I see no reason to hide his name any longer. It's not "protecting the innocent," because this fucker is totally not innocent. Henry Ford is a fucking crazy stalker who is in desperate need of a hobby. I recommend the collecting of toys and the watching of anime DVDs. 😛

-posted by Wes | 1:15 am | Comments (11)
11 Comments »
  • the Jax says:

    Word of the week: Monkeysphere !!!

  • Jersey Girl says:

    On one hand, I really don't understand your mother's reaction, or lack thereof, to the stalking, 'cause this is CLEARLY stalking. I mean, yes, she's older than I am, but I'm still a lot older than you are. It just doesn't make sense. I'd be pounding on doors, forcing people to listen and getting restraining orders! Part of me gets really angry with her, which is irrational since I don't know her. On the other hand, maybe she's the type of person who just believes that if she ignores him long enough, he'll eventually just go away. I can understand that to a degree, although I am far more reactionary in general. But the ignoring thing hasn't worked at all thus far. I'd think it was time for a change in action!

    I also don't understand why your mother would feel it necessary to bring up the girl over and over again. I'm glad that she's a non-entity in your daily life, however, she could just as easily have become a source of pain. Why would she risk causing you pain like that? I just don't get it. I apologize if I'm sounding too negative toward your mom. I don't know her and I realize it's not fair. I just...well.... I don't know. Nevermind.

    Monkeysphere. Almost choked on my tea. Too funny.

    I don't think we should wait until people don't want to be around us to "delight in our own company." I think we should be able to enjoy spending time with ourselves all along. If we can't stand being with us, why would anyone else? I think it's important, however, not to let our past experiences cloud our future ones. You've been through some crap that just seems like insanity to me, based on our former email conversations. I kept thinking "What the hell were they thinking?!?!" (the school, etc.) But the fact that you've had some pretty crazy stuff happen to you doesn't then indicate that all other people you encounter will react to you the same way. You kept saying that your speech pattern and mannerisms were awkward and creepy. I didn't find that to be the truth at all after your vlog. Of course, I've never met you in person, but still... I rather enjoyed the vlog.

    (PS - are you the Wes on Dr. Girlfriend's facebook?)

  • dave says:

    I love how you're using rationality - as though this is some normal but socially awkward guy who can't take a hint.
    The thing is, I think you're wrong in this case. Persistance would clearly work in this guy's case, if your mother hasn't blackballed him yet. Making threats doesn't qualify as persistance in trying to form a relationship anymore than eating potato chips counts a persistance in trying to improve your running time.

    As for your situation. Women (and probably men) often like to feed their own egos by imagining that guys are hung up on them. Some give clearly mixed signals so they can enjoy the delusion that some guys won't quit (see TAB's blog, old school, if you don't believe me). I've been through it before. They give vague statements that clearly imply interest that have kind of a plausable deniability mixed in with the mixed interest.

    I remember a girl I used to work with inherited a client with a known history of hitting on the former account exec. He followed suit with the new one by including some sort of "So who makes you feel special" statement in a business e-mail - a clear flirt on his part. So, she flips out and shows everyone what a creep this guy is, and proceeds (while I'm looking over her shoulder) to answer with some kind of "Well that's an answer for another day" or something that such an aggressive guy is obviously going to find encouraging. I called her on her bullshit, and what do you know "What? What? No! I told him I wasn't interested!" wich she clearly didn't. [note to women - ignoring the statement and keeping it business is the way to successfully circumvent something like that] And again what do you know, when he continued, she rolled her eyes and complained about what a stalker he was.

    I'm just saying a certian type of gal loves being 'stalked' so she can complain about it. Don't take it personally. It's not creepiness on your part that encourages it, but more likely an appearance of innocence.

  • Pablo says:

    "You need to find someone who's got what you've got." Haha. Your Mom is awesome Wes. Classic. Are you sure your mom acknowledges the creepiness of the situation? I would be telling the cops to go talk to Stampman, maybe rough him up a bit, so he gets the clue that he should not be contacting your mother in ANY way, or else he is in trouble.

    "Instead of dealing with or worrying about these people, it's better to deal with people who do want to deal with you. And if no one does (and I have a ton of experience in that department as well), then you should delight in your own company."

    Wes you should remember this when you think nobody likes you. Nobody likes me either, but who cares! I'm not gonna waste any more time worrying about them. Only focus on the people who do care, and yourself, cause those are the only people who matter.

  • Wes says:

    Jax: Alas, I can't take credit for the word -- ages ago someone linked to this page in a comment, and I've since incorporated the term into my personal lexicon.

    Jersey Girl: Regarding your assertion that people shouldn't wait until they're alone to delight in their own company, I definitely agree -- but I do think that many people don't get the opportunity to think about it in such clear terms (if many do at all) until they find themselves alone and engage in a bit of introspective thought. Of course, one needn't be especially deep or insightful in order to delight in one's own company, but it probably helps... or maybe not, depending upon the nature of one's insights. Hmmm.

    Regarding my mother, she is a gossip to the core. So I don't think it's that she means any overt harm when she mentions things about people I don't care about, but rather that she can't help but mention them -- she'd just as soon give me pointless updates regarding someone who had sexually abused me as a child (this never happened, but this is the kind of person I would definitely not want to hear about) as a co-worker's daughter some random lady from a pottery class she took six years ago. That said, I think she thinks that I think about this girl a lot more than I actually do, which is why she always makes sure to augment the gossip with insults and unkind remarks so as to make me feel better about being rejected and maligned by her. I honestly wouldn't care if she were more beautiful than ever.

    And yes, that's probably me in Dr. Girlfriend's facebook (unless she has other Weses in there). Feel free to friend away!

    Dave: Did I imply that the Stampman is "a normal but socially awkward guy who can't take a hint?" I definitely did not mean to do that! He's crazy off his ass, and leaving threatening messages does not fall within the bounds of acceptable persistence (though he obviously doesn't think his behavior is objectionable). That said, I do think that this and a whole lot of other instances of "stalking" could have been avoided if a) people were more upfront and honest with each other about their feelings and b) there weren't this prevailing fairy tale notion that the persistent guy gets the girl.

    And yes, I definitely agree with you that "women like to feed their own egos by imagining that guys are hung up on them." Before Stampman showed his creepy crazy hand, my mother even used his affection to pad her self-esteem although she had no interest in him whatsoever. I mean, he's a 64-year-old white guy with HIV -- any one of those things would have doomed him to failure with Mom. I still remember how she was when he followed her across town in the car that day -- most women (hopefully) would have been entirely unnerved, but she talked about it like it was some exciting, thrilling experience. Imagine, a guy was so into her that he'd pursue her in an automobile chase! Ugh.

    Anyway, I don't take that sort of thing personally, but it's happened to me enough that I have to expect and avoid that kind of scenario in order to preserve my safety, freedom, and what tattered shreds of my reputation remain. 😛

    Pablo: You're preaching to the choir! But I guess it's been a while since we really talked about that sort of thing. 🙂

  • Kristen says:

    After everything that has happened, how in the FUCK did I turn out to be the most normal one in the fam?!?! I'm still voting for the Henry Ford beat down with hazmat suits on. Think about it, bro!!

  • Wes says:

    How is advocating hazmat suit beatdowns normal...? 😛

  • Yes, you are the only Wes in my Facebook and the only one I know. 🙂

    Anyhow Stampman really REALLY REALLY needs some therapy or some help of some kind. I do believe in being reactionary about these things because trust me they can get worse.

  • Jersey Girl says:

    He is now the only Wes in my Facebook!

    I am reactionary because I don't like surprises. I need to carefully consider every possible scenario and develop a plan should it occur. I don't want to be blindsided if Plan A doesn't work, and have no idea what Plan B should be. I need plans A through Z filed away in my mind, just in case. Of course, occasionally a scenario occurs that I hadn't considered, but I try to even have a contingency plan for such an occasion. I just feel more comfortable having considered the worst-case scenario in advance and knowing what I could/would do should it occur. Yeah, I undersand this sounds crazy, but it works for me. My husband is a "let's just wait and see what happens" kind of guy. That drives me nuts. In the case of the Stampman, doing the "wait and see" think could end tragically. The whole thing makes me nervous, and I am not even a part of it!!

  • the Jax says:

    Theory: Your mom is waiting for Stampman to attack, so she can beat him down with a kitchen implement and be heroine of the day on Oprah.

    In the meantime, for you:
    http://podcasts.ox.ac.uk/

  • Dave says:

    You can tell he's really starting to unravel since he didn't even label the stamps this time.

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