Comments on: Off goes the television. http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/ The eldritch domain of Wes Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:20:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Wes http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/comment-page-1/#comment-25461 Wes Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:57:07 +0000 http://www.wesoteric.com/?p=926#comment-25461 <i>Obama fans believe that since something isn't true, it isn't a factor in a swing voter's opinion. But, it is.</i> This is maddening to me. Since Palin's introduction, she has pretty much lied about <i>everything</i> she's done. She didn't say, "Thanks, but no thanks," with respect to the "Bridge to Nowhere"; she's totally not against earmarks; any corruption she's rooted out isn't because of a moral aversion to it, but rather because it gives her an excuse to replace people she doesn't like with her own cronies; heck, she didn't even sell the damned plane on eBay. Not to mention all of the other stuff around her! I mean, I understand the mentality of staying focused on the top of the ticket, but can't they go after them both? If Palin is a major part of the reason for McCain's surge in popularity, I'd at least make an effort to knock her down a bit. The RNC was also <i>filled</i> with lies -- why not release some advertising going after that? Far from being a do-nothing senator, Obama's authored 152 bills and co-sponsored 427 (not to mention the 820 he sponsored in Illinois). But why do the Democrats assume people will bother to look that up? Obama was telling folks at a campaign stop that, given that <i>they're</i> suddenly claiming to be the change agents, the Republicans must think the voting public is stupid. News flash: of course they do. They always have (or maybe not always, but as long as I can remember), and the public has time and time again proven them right. Obama needs to stop giving folks too much credit and start responding to at least <i>some</i> of these lies! Obama fans believe that since something isn't true, it isn't a factor in a swing voter's opinion. But, it is.

This is maddening to me. Since Palin's introduction, she has pretty much lied about everything she's done. She didn't say, "Thanks, but no thanks," with respect to the "Bridge to Nowhere"; she's totally not against earmarks; any corruption she's rooted out isn't because of a moral aversion to it, but rather because it gives her an excuse to replace people she doesn't like with her own cronies; heck, she didn't even sell the damned plane on eBay. Not to mention all of the other stuff around her! I mean, I understand the mentality of staying focused on the top of the ticket, but can't they go after them both? If Palin is a major part of the reason for McCain's surge in popularity, I'd at least make an effort to knock her down a bit.

The RNC was also filled with lies -- why not release some advertising going after that? Far from being a do-nothing senator, Obama's authored 152 bills and co-sponsored 427 (not to mention the 820 he sponsored in Illinois). But why do the Democrats assume people will bother to look that up? Obama was telling folks at a campaign stop that, given that they're suddenly claiming to be the change agents, the Republicans must think the voting public is stupid. News flash: of course they do. They always have (or maybe not always, but as long as I can remember), and the public has time and time again proven them right. Obama needs to stop giving folks too much credit and start responding to at least some of these lies!

]]> By: dave http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/comment-page-1/#comment-25457 dave Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:30:45 +0000 http://www.wesoteric.com/?p=926#comment-25457 Wes, I'm with you. I still think McCain is going to win - perhaps in a landslide. Obama fans (which I'm one of) have a habit of talking amongst themselves and building up a case. As you know I'm not afraid of bringing up a contrary opinion or bringing attention to logical or factual fallacies, or even highlighting a different point of view. Obama fans believe that since something isn't true, it isn't a factor in a swing voter's opinion. But, it is. They also dismiss an alternate point of view as being non-existant if they don't believe in it. For example. McCain ran against Bush in 2000. In 2004, John Kerry beat into the ground that Iraq was a good idea, but executed poorly. Yet, The Democrats are saying McCain is the same a George Bush (McSame, I've heard him called.) The 'factual' basis they use is that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. But Kerry told us: his ideas were good, just executed poorly. So, in theory, if McCain had run the war, perhaps it would be different. It's actually the stupidest tactic I've ever heard. Instead of forcing people to make a case that McCain is better than Obama, they're forcing them to make the case that he's better than Bush! Wes, I'm with you. I still think McCain is going to win - perhaps in a landslide. Obama fans (which I'm one of) have a habit of talking amongst themselves and building up a case. As you know I'm not afraid of bringing up a contrary opinion or bringing attention to logical or factual fallacies, or even highlighting a different point of view.
Obama fans believe that since something isn't true, it isn't a factor in a swing voter's opinion. But, it is. They also dismiss an alternate point of view as being non-existant if they don't believe in it.
For example. McCain ran against Bush in 2000. In 2004, John Kerry beat into the ground that Iraq was a good idea, but executed poorly. Yet, The Democrats are saying McCain is the same a George Bush (McSame, I've heard him called.) The 'factual' basis they use is that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. But Kerry told us: his ideas were good, just executed poorly. So, in theory, if McCain had run the war, perhaps it would be different.
It's actually the stupidest tactic I've ever heard. Instead of forcing people to make a case that McCain is better than Obama, they're forcing them to make the case that he's better than Bush!

]]> By: Wes http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/comment-page-1/#comment-25393 Wes Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:06:05 +0000 http://www.wesoteric.com/?p=926#comment-25393 Paul: You are more optimistic than I am! I'd like to believe Obama's got the edge, but I'm starting to think all McCain and Palin have to do is not fuck up incredibly (or, in Palin's case, get charged with abuse of power) to have a <i>really</i> good shot at winning the election. I don't at all have a hard time believing that 51% of Americans would be reluctant to vote for Obama (for whatever reason) or that they'd be too lazy to swing by factcheck.org to find out that one of McCain's major charges against Obama -- that he'd raise taxes on working families and small businesses -- is complete bullshit. Paul & Becky: I think the only thing worse would be a Lieberman smile. Paul: You are more optimistic than I am! I'd like to believe Obama's got the edge, but I'm starting to think all McCain and Palin have to do is not fuck up incredibly (or, in Palin's case, get charged with abuse of power) to have a really good shot at winning the election. I don't at all have a hard time believing that 51% of Americans would be reluctant to vote for Obama (for whatever reason) or that they'd be too lazy to swing by factcheck.org to find out that one of McCain's major charges against Obama -- that he'd raise taxes on working families and small businesses -- is complete bullshit.

Paul & Becky: I think the only thing worse would be a Lieberman smile.

]]> By: Becky http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/comment-page-1/#comment-25388 Becky Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:25:25 +0000 http://www.wesoteric.com/?p=926#comment-25388 I had to crack up at your reference to his smile b/c I was thinking the exact same thing when it was happening -- is that the best you can do? I had to crack up at your reference to his smile b/c I was thinking the exact same thing when it was happening -- is that the best you can do?

]]> By: Pablo http://www.wesoteric.com/blog-archives/09-04-2008/off-goes-the-television/comment-page-1/#comment-25370 Pablo Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:35:25 +0000 http://www.wesoteric.com/?p=926#comment-25370 McCain will be a forgotten memory in about 2 months. Unless something shady happens during the election, like the last couple. If McCain is elected I will apply for Canadian citizenship :) And yeah his smile is beyond creepy. So forced and..... I dunno, it's like if a zombie was smiling and had teeth. McCain will be a forgotten memory in about 2 months. Unless something shady happens during the election, like the last couple. If McCain is elected I will apply for Canadian citizenship :)

And yeah his smile is beyond creepy. So forced and..... I dunno, it's like if a zombie was smiling and had teeth.

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